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Welding "WHAT NOT TO DO"

Post by YFZ Bob » Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:08 pm

Found this Home Built FOR SALE for $600.00.
RUN THE OTHER WAY!!!!

http://dumontsanddunes.com/gallery/show ... 3&ppuser=1

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Post by Winston Cup » Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:51 pm

Hey it's Yoshi's first build. :wink:
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Post by YFZ Bob » Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:10 pm

$600.00. Comes with Modified boat trailer.

One Forklift Seat
Electrical Conduit.
One Stolen Street Bike
1000 lbs in Wire Feed. (950 lbs of that wasted on the floor)
One boat trailer. W/Authentic Garage door floor
$15.00 Walmart Tie Downs
FOR SALE custom sign...



Seeing it go to the Scrap Yard,

PRICELESS!!!

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Post by LoBuck » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:08 am

Hey Bob, Welcome back. :wink:

Nice find there. I don't think a welder was used on that "thing" at all. Looks more like he was squeezing a pidgeon. :lol:
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Post by YFZ Bob » Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:06 am

Hello Glen,
I don't think the guy ever turned on the welder. BUBBLE-GUM WELDING by Pipe Dream INC.

It's still FOR SALE! :lol:

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Post by crash » Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:39 am

Hey, you guys can laugh all you want, but somebody spent ALOT of time and put ALOT of thought, or maybe trial and error, into that thing. It looks better than MANY a persons first projects I have seen in my life. Shocks are mounted double shear and there is lots of bracing. It is obvious that it was stick welded by a non proficient welder, but I'd give him an A for effort. :D

Would I get in it? NO
Would I want to be anywhere near it when it was driving? NO WAY

Interesting note about welders. Put up my own steel building. Had some minor bracketry that needed welding. Private Professional Engineer that was required to sign off on the project insisted on a certified welder to do the work. The certified guys work made this look like gold. As soon as it was passed, I HAD to cut everything he had done off and redo it.

Not straight.
Didn't clean the paint off.
Only welded the interface about half the time.

AND I HAD TO PAY EXTRA FOR THIS!!!

Remember: Just because you have the license doesn't mean you are any better at what you are doing, it just makes you legal.

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Post by kev » Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:05 pm

crash wrote:Hey, you guys can laugh all you want, but somebody spent ALOT of time and put ALOT of thought, or maybe trial and error, into that thing.
I have to disagree about the thought that went into it. Some of the things done on that "thing" were not thought out. You don't drill out rims to the point that they are slotted. http://dumontsanddunes.com/gallery/data ... C00168.JPG .
He beefed up the rear axle by welding bars onto it, so it will be so far out of balance that it will go thru bearings about every hour of drive time.

I would give him a D- for effort. You don't take on a project that peoples lives depend on until you understand the basics. Like running a good bead, understanding that you can't make a butt joint in the middle of the frame and at least learn how to do a redneck notch (with a grinder). He just filled in the gaps with a lot of crap, I mean welds. And you DON'T try to sale something like that.

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Post by crash » Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:54 pm

kev wrote:
crash wrote:Hey, you guys can laugh all you want, but somebody spent ALOT of time and put ALOT of thought, or maybe trial and error, into that thing.
I have to disagree about the thought that went into it. Some of the things done on that "thing" were not thought out. You don't drill out rims to the point that they are slotted. http://dumontsanddunes.com/gallery/data ... C00168.JPG .
He beefed up the rear axle by welding bars onto it, so it will be so far out of balance that it will go thru bearings about every hour of drive time.

I would give him a D- for effort. You don't take on a project that peoples lives depend on until you understand the basics. Like running a good bead, understanding that you can't make a butt joint in the middle of the frame and at least learn how to do a redneck notch (with a grinder). He just filled in the gaps with a lot of crap, I mean welds. And you DON'T try to sale something like that.
I agree that I wouldn't sell it as is, and the wheel thing IS pretty scary, but the bars ARE relitively straight and there are gussets and tubes in many of the right places. If you have ever built a vehicle from scratch you would recognize these facts. I'm the first one to say that things need to be done right. See this thread. http://www.americansandassociation.org/ ... highlight=

That pretty much would apply completely to what is pictured here.

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Post by Glamisbound » Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:27 pm

I have to disagree about the thought that went into it. Some of the things done on that "thing" were not thought out. You don't drill out rims to the point that they are slotted. http://dumontsanddunes.com/gallery/data ... C00168.JPG .
He beefed up the rear axle by welding bars onto it, so it will be so far out of balance that it will go thru bearings about every hour of drive time.
Not to mention, did you see the tie rods :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Post by Woodglue » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:25 am

It looks like the results of putting a round peg in a square hole... just get a bigger hammer and a welder.

I see a new market nitche here... "Below 1k.com". :lol:

crash, the way you were defending it at first I thought you were going to say it was yours. :lol: BTW, I knew which thread you were pointing to before I clicked on it! :wink:
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Post by crash » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:28 am

Woodglue wrote:It looks like the results of putting a round peg in a square hole... just get a bigger hammer and a welder.

I see a new market nitche here... "Below 1k.com". :lol:

crash, the way you were defending it at first I thought you were going to say it was yours. :lol: BTW, I knew which thread you were pointing to before I clicked on it! :wink:
I think we BOTH need some help!! :lol:

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Post by Woodglue » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:36 am

crash wrote:I think we BOTH need some help!! :lol:

"My name is crash, and I am addicted to the ASA BBS." :lol: :lol:
Heck, not me, [-( I'm perfectly fine! [-(
Besides, without the board, I'd pack up and go home early today. We're leaving for Glamis tonight!!!! Naaaa, I'd have to just sit there and wait for my wife to get home. :roll:
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Post by crash » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:00 pm

Denial is the first sign of addiction. :lol:

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Post by Woodglue » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:42 pm

crash wrote:Denial is the first sign of addiction. :lol:
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Post by kev » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:36 pm

Glamisbound wrote:
I have to disagree about the thought that went into it. Some of the things done on that "thing" were not thought out. You don't drill out rims to the point that they are slotted. http://dumontsanddunes.com/gallery/data ... C00168.JPG .
He beefed up the rear axle by welding bars onto it, so it will be so far out of balance that it will go thru bearings about every hour of drive time.
Not to mention, did you see the tie rods :shock: :shock: :shock:
Ya :shock: . There are just so many things wrong with that thing. I wonder where Bob ran across it.

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Post by YFZ Bob » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:14 am

kev wrote:Ya :shock: . There are just so many things wrong with that thing. I wonder where Bob ran across it.
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Post by MikeA » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:23 pm

Dont worry I saw this last week on Shade Tree Mechanic or was it JunkYard Wars ??? :shock:

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Post by Grumpy Wookiee » Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:49 pm

I think I am reading the sign wrong. I cant tell if it says "$600" or "3600". Anyone know for sure? Bob, did you see this in person or on a website posting?

Im not a proficient welder by any means, but I think I can MIG weld better than that. It looks like something I would have done in Junior High. Oh, wait, I did do something like that in Junior High, but it had a Briggs and Straton 5hp motor, not a Kawi Motorcycle motor!
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Post by crash » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:22 pm

Grumpy Wookie wrote:I think I am reading the sign wrong. I cant tell if it says "$600" or "3600". Anyone know for sure? Bob, did you see this in person or on a website posting?

Im not a proficient welder by any means, but I think I can MIG weld better than that. It looks like something I would have done in Junior High. Oh, wait, I did do something like that in Junior High, but it had a Briggs and Straton 5hp motor, not a Kawi Motorcycle motor!

Not to be pissy, but.........MOTORS are used to start ENGINES.

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Post by Glamisbound » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:23 pm

Not to be pissy, but.........MOTORS are used to start ENGINES.
Oh God, your not going to start this one are you :?: :?: :?: All I've got to say is I've never seen an "enginecycle" :lol:
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Post by crash » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:52 am

There are lots of things that are mis-named. Motor-cars, Motor-cycles, RADIATORS........etc, etc.

Tell me something. Have you ever heard of an electric engine?

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Post by crash » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:44 am

While the motor definition seems to include the term "engine", the engine definition does NOT include the term "motor". Interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor

This time line seems to use the terms in the context that I have presented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o ... technology

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Post by crash » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:38 am

BTW- I'd like to hear some peoples definitions for:

Wheel?

Spindle?


IMO these are areas that are COMMONLY misnamed. I've been in the rscing industry for over 20 years and believe I have pretty good definitions, so after a couple people post theirs, I'll put up what I have come to understand these words mean.........that is, if anyone cares.(?)

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Post by Intelliduner » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:40 am

crash wrote:BTW- I'd like to hear some peoples definitions for:

Wheel?
Synonymous with rim. Does not include the tire.
crash wrote:Spindle?
The short "axle" that sticks out of the steering knuckle. Sometimes called a "spud." I think most people include both the spud and the knuckle when referring to a spindle (including myself), including terms like "drop spindles" for lowering, etc.

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Post by crash » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:15 am

Pretty good. I'll see if we can get a couple more before I put mine out there.

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Post by crash » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:59 am

OK- Again this is just what I have come to understand over MANY years of dealing with these terms.

Wheel = Rim + Tire

Spindle = The part of the upright that the wheel hub spins on.

Upright = The part that connects everything together out at the end of the suspension. In other words, the part that the spindle, brake caliper, steering knuckle, and both upper and lower ball joints or knuckles attach to. Of course many times the axle will go through a rear upright.

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Post by crash » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:12 am

Now, the radiator issue.

A radiator is something that just sits in open air and radiates heat or cold.
Examples would be the kind of steam or water heating radiators in older eastern style homes or most of our RV refrigorators.

No, the "radiators" found in our vehicles are not radiators at all. They are convectors. Convectors are when there is forced heat transfer, such as in our vehicles or most of our home heating systems out west here. Think of a "convection" oven. Main difference, it has a fan to move the heat around.

I don't think you will hear anyone say "Yeah, I got a hole in my convector and was stuck in Convector Springs for four days!" though. :D

While it is true that there is some natural convection that occurs on a radiator due to the fact that heat rises, the key is that there is no medium being forced accross the surface of a radiator.

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Post by crash » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:18 am

Okey dokey, now pulling my terminally anal retentive head out of my ***(read, dropping the engineer crap) and returning to my cranky self. :)

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Post by crash » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:21 am

BTW- What would I have if I said "For Sale: EZ-Go golf cart motor"?

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