now...Oil injection removal??

Technical Discussion Forum

Moderator: Sitewide Forum Moderators

Post Reply
sewl33
3rd Gear Member
3rd Gear Member
Posts: 90
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:56 pm
Please enter the middle number: 5
Location: USA

now...Oil injection removal??

Post by sewl33 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:37 am

I live in Hawthorne and am looking for a mechanic to work on 3 lt80's. who do you all use?

Thanks
Last edited by sewl33 on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:07 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Woodglue
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 6312
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:37 am
antispam: NO
Please enter the middle number: 7
Location: Riverside Co, Ca.

Re: Need a mechanic

Post by Woodglue » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:34 pm

I know this isn't what you want to hear, but I can proudly say:
With the periodic help from a friend and neighbor, I do my own work. And, I'd encourage others on our board to do the same.

What kind of repairs are you needing?
My Avatar is BLM's DRAMP Proposed OHV Access under Alt #3.
Purple = Closed
Green = Open
IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?
More here

sewl33
3rd Gear Member
3rd Gear Member
Posts: 90
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:56 pm
Please enter the middle number: 5
Location: USA

Re: Need a mechanic

Post by sewl33 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:37 pm

Have three of them.

-One has carb issues. Just bought it cheap from someone knowing it needs some work. Take the air filter off it idols hook it up and it putters out.

-The other wont turn over. Nothing. I know the battery is good bc it starts another lt 80 but with this one we get nothing. So we are checking the electrical going to switch the cdi off the good one.

-The last was running good and all day and just slow died as my kid came to a stop. Went to start it back up and it just turn over and over but won't start up.

I'm more than willing just with being so busy at work and by the time i slowly figure things out I would hate for the kids to not have it for up coming trip.

Would really like them to be done right once then i'll mess with them as needed.

Thanks and if you have any suggestions i'm open and willing to try.

User avatar
Dunepilot
5th Gear "Pinned" Member
5th Gear "Pinned" Member
Posts: 382
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2000 8:46 pm
antispam: NO
Please enter the middle number: 7
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: Need a mechanic

Post by Dunepilot » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:31 pm

Sewl33, start with the simple stuff as that is usually the culprit.

Not knowing your technical ability here a some general things to try. Not necessarily in this order. Also, some of these items may not apply to your bikes, but are good things to check anyway.

Fuel Filter: Most, if not all bikes have some type of fuel filter, whether external to the tank or integrated into the petcock. They plug up, replace or clean where applicable.

Carbs: They gunk up. Gasoline turns into a varnish and plugs jets and passageways. Remove the carb, disassemble and thoroughly clean it. AutoZone sells a great parts cleaner, comes in about a gallon gan. Clean the bowl, the jets, the slide, the passageways, everything by placing it in the cleaner. Be sure you remove any rubber parts first! Use a small diameter paperclip to clean jets. Dry with compressed air.

If you don't have a shop manual, take note the number of turns on the idle screw as well as any other externally adjustable controls. This way you can put it back the way you found it. However, a shop manual would be best, as it will give you more accurate tuning.

Spark Plugs: They wear out, go bad, etc...buy some new ones. They're cheap. Be sure to check the ignition wire going to the plug too.

Air filter: Is it clean and oiled properly? Too much oil or not enough will cause problems.

Check the electrical grounds. They corrode. Remove all, clean with a wire brush, then reattach.

Hope some of this helps.
DunePilot

sewl33
3rd Gear Member
3rd Gear Member
Posts: 90
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:56 pm
Please enter the middle number: 5
Location: USA

Re: Need a mechanic

Post by sewl33 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:56 pm

I'm working on the one the that wont turn over.

I have one working so i'm using parts off it to check the non running

I cant get the bike to even crank on bit. I've switched the CDI nothing, checked and the engine isn't seized cylinder moves smoothly.

Any suggestions on just getting it cranking??

User avatar
Woodglue
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 6312
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:37 am
antispam: NO
Please enter the middle number: 7
Location: Riverside Co, Ca.

Re: Need a mechanic

Post by Woodglue » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:36 am

sewl33 wrote:Any suggestions on just getting it cranking??
Not cranking, as in wont turn over at all?
I am not familiar with this bike, but I'm assumming it doesn't have a kick-start.
If not, then I'm wondering if the engine is seized. If you remove the spark-plug, put the bike in gear, and remove the emergency brake are you able to rotate the rear wheels?
Yes = your engine isn't seized.
No = your engine is seized.
Can you hot wire from the battery to the starter and get it to turn over that way?
Yes = Something is wrong with the electrical system between the battery and the starter.
No = The battery is dead and / or the starter needs to be replaced.
My Avatar is BLM's DRAMP Proposed OHV Access under Alt #3.
Purple = Closed
Green = Open
IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?
More here

User avatar
Washroad
ASA Chapters Chair • SSSS Chair
ASA Chapters Chair • SSSS Chair
Posts: 3648
Joined: Wed Dec 06, 2000 1:00 pm
antispam: NO
Please enter the middle number: 7
Location: Orange, CA

Re: Need a mechanic

Post by Washroad » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:49 pm

sewl33 wrote:Have three of them.

-One has carb issues. Just bought it cheap from someone knowing it needs some work. Take the air filter off it idols hook it up and it putters out.
This means you have either a very dirty air filter or a junk air filter. Depending on the type you have, either oem or aftermarket, you need to replace it or clean it good. If it's a foam type, soak it in Simple Green, squeeze out all the dirt, let it dry, lightly oil and reinstall. If you have a K & N, again, soak in Simple Green, rinse out with clear water, lightly oil with spray oil and reinstall. That should fix it.

-The other wont turn over. Nothing. I know the battery is good bc it starts another lt 80 but with this one we get nothing. So we are checking the electrical going to switch the cdi off the good one. Hmmmm. Check all connections, make sure clean and tight, good grounds, etc. Me and electricity don't get along too well.

-The last was running good and all day and just slow died as my kid came to a stop. Went to start it back up and it just turn over and over but won't start up.This sounds like a fouled plug. Try putting in a new plug and see what happens. This is a cheap $3 repair.

I'm more than willing just with being so busy at work and by the time i slowly figure things out I would hate for the kids to not have it for up coming trip.

Would really like them to be done right once then i'll mess with them as needed.

Thanks and if you have any suggestions i'm open and willing to try.
Brian
ex-SSSS Coordinator
aSa Supporting Member and VERY PROUD OF IT!!!
2007 Jerry R. Seaver Award
"Facts don't enter a world dominated by our beliefs." Proust
The whole "point" of life is that there is no "point." There's just life.
"Never miss an opportunity to shut up." Will Rogers

User avatar
Washroad
ASA Chapters Chair • SSSS Chair
ASA Chapters Chair • SSSS Chair
Posts: 3648
Joined: Wed Dec 06, 2000 1:00 pm
antispam: NO
Please enter the middle number: 7
Location: Orange, CA

Re: Need a mechanic

Post by Washroad » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:52 pm

Also, check continuity of all the wires, make sure you don't have something broken in the middle somewhere. Get one of those multi-tester things.
Brian
ex-SSSS Coordinator
aSa Supporting Member and VERY PROUD OF IT!!!
2007 Jerry R. Seaver Award
"Facts don't enter a world dominated by our beliefs." Proust
The whole "point" of life is that there is no "point." There's just life.
"Never miss an opportunity to shut up." Will Rogers

sewl33
3rd Gear Member
3rd Gear Member
Posts: 90
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:56 pm
Please enter the middle number: 5
Location: USA

Re: Need a mechanic

Post by sewl33 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:07 am

Well i'm pretty proud of my husband and I.

The bike that wouldn't turn over had two problems. We got the starter out and it was bad. Traded it for one off another and then after figuring out the start switch on the handle bars was bad too, we got it turning over. Need to reconnect gas and carb and well see how it runs.


But my next question is if anyone has taken off the oil injection? One quad already had it off when we got it but the other two we just bought have it on. Thinking about taking it off since we are mixing gas anyway.

I've see blaster oil injection removal kits but can't find anything for LT80's. Any leads?

Thanks!

-ps i'm going to get some spark plugs and try the bike that wont restart. Thanks again

User avatar
RobC
5th Gear "Pinned" Member
5th Gear "Pinned" Member
Posts: 772
Joined: Sat Nov 11, 2000 10:39 am
antispam: NO
Please enter the middle number: 7
Location: Mesa, AZ
Contact:

Re: now...Oil injection removal??

Post by RobC » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:51 pm

I had a little eton 90 for my daughter several years ago. As for removing the oil injection, I just removed the oil tank and plugged up the oil line. I used mixed gas in it (32:1) and never had a problem.
Save the Dunes!!
Rob's Dune Site
My Pics

User avatar
Glamisbound
7th Gear "No Brakes" Member
7th Gear "No Brakes" Member
Posts: 3090
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2001 12:00 pm
Please enter the middle number: 5
Location: Ramona, Ca.

Re: now...Oil injection removal??

Post by Glamisbound » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:49 pm

BTW, LT 80 starters are famous for going out. I keep an extra on hand just in case.

For parts, call Chaparral. Just tell them you need a LT 80 block off kick. They are very easy to install.
GLAMISBOUND
Walking the gap...All give some, some give all!!

Image

36' HR Endeavor Diesel Pusher, 330 Caterpillar
2007 Potter Productions Dual Sport with a Redline LS1 and Mendi 2D
'02 yz 426
'04 crf 50
50 cc quads for the little groms

User avatar
Washroad
ASA Chapters Chair • SSSS Chair
ASA Chapters Chair • SSSS Chair
Posts: 3648
Joined: Wed Dec 06, 2000 1:00 pm
antispam: NO
Please enter the middle number: 7
Location: Orange, CA

Re: now...Oil injection removal??

Post by Washroad » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:58 am

Something I remember about the LT80 (and I may be way off base here), but it won't start at all unless the parking brake is on. True?? I was just wondering if that could've been a starting problem for you.

Yes, get the block-off kit and install it. That way, you will never forget to check the oil tank and run it out, you'll always have premix in the tank.
Brian
ex-SSSS Coordinator
aSa Supporting Member and VERY PROUD OF IT!!!
2007 Jerry R. Seaver Award
"Facts don't enter a world dominated by our beliefs." Proust
The whole "point" of life is that there is no "point." There's just life.
"Never miss an opportunity to shut up." Will Rogers

sewl33
3rd Gear Member
3rd Gear Member
Posts: 90
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:56 pm
Please enter the middle number: 5
Location: USA

Re: now...Oil injection removal??

Post by sewl33 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:09 am

I can't seem to find a block off kit anywhere.

Thats what i need help with.

No you don't have to have the parking break on to start it.

By the way thank you everyone. Your input is great.

User avatar
Glamisbound
7th Gear "No Brakes" Member
7th Gear "No Brakes" Member
Posts: 3090
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2001 12:00 pm
Please enter the middle number: 5
Location: Ramona, Ca.

Re: now...Oil injection removal??

Post by Glamisbound » Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:34 pm

No you don't have to have the parking break on to start it.


On mine you do...and every other one I've seen you do. Mine is an '03. What year is yours? If it's older, maybe that's why.
GLAMISBOUND
Walking the gap...All give some, some give all!!

Image

36' HR Endeavor Diesel Pusher, 330 Caterpillar
2007 Potter Productions Dual Sport with a Redline LS1 and Mendi 2D
'02 yz 426
'04 crf 50
50 cc quads for the little groms

sewl33
3rd Gear Member
3rd Gear Member
Posts: 90
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:56 pm
Please enter the middle number: 5
Location: USA

Re: now...Oil injection removal??

Post by sewl33 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:21 pm

Our newest one is a 91' so i think that is a new thing they have added. But for all ours you don't have to.

User avatar
Woodglue
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 6312
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:37 am
antispam: NO
Please enter the middle number: 7
Location: Riverside Co, Ca.

Re: now...Oil injection removal??

Post by Woodglue » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:42 pm

sewl33 wrote:By the way thank you everyone. Your input is great.
This board is great support for some of these kinds of issues. I know, I've been down similar roads once or twice. :lol:

Glad to hear that you guys are cracking the nut!!! =D>
My Avatar is BLM's DRAMP Proposed OHV Access under Alt #3.
Purple = Closed
Green = Open
IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?
More here

User avatar
Washroad
ASA Chapters Chair • SSSS Chair
ASA Chapters Chair • SSSS Chair
Posts: 3648
Joined: Wed Dec 06, 2000 1:00 pm
antispam: NO
Please enter the middle number: 7
Location: Orange, CA

Re: now...Oil injection removal??

Post by Washroad » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:57 am

How is the one that is already blocked done? I was just wondering if you could just take off the tank and seal up the other end somehow...
Brian
ex-SSSS Coordinator
aSa Supporting Member and VERY PROUD OF IT!!!
2007 Jerry R. Seaver Award
"Facts don't enter a world dominated by our beliefs." Proust
The whole "point" of life is that there is no "point." There's just life.
"Never miss an opportunity to shut up." Will Rogers

crash
7th Gear "No Brakes" Member
7th Gear "No Brakes" Member
Posts: 3915
Joined: Mon May 20, 2002 7:31 pm
Please enter the middle number: 5
Location: USA

Re: now...Oil injection removal??

Post by crash » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:54 am

I have three of the LT80s. All oil tanks removed. Simply remove the oil tank and pump on the left side of the tranny case. Then put a vacum tube cap, available from any auto parts store, over the oil port on the carb. Then cut and drill a small piece of sheet aluminum to cover where the pump was. Really you don't have to remove anything if you don't want to. Just plug the oil line to the carb and cap the oil port.

Also, ALL my LT80s must have the parking brake set to start the quad. I have, IIRC, an 87, 89, and 93. If you aren't having to set the PB then someone has modified the quads.

And Woody's suggestion about determining whether the engine is siezed or not? Doesn't work on an LT80 because of the centrifugal clutch setup. Just an FYI.

User avatar
Woodglue
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 6312
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:37 am
antispam: NO
Please enter the middle number: 7
Location: Riverside Co, Ca.

Re: now...Oil injection removal??

Post by Woodglue » Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:49 pm

Ah, thanks, I didn't know that the LT80s had a centrifugal clutch.
My Avatar is BLM's DRAMP Proposed OHV Access under Alt #3.
Purple = Closed
Green = Open
IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?
More here

Post Reply

Return to “ATV & Motorcycle”